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Puigdemont carga contra la UE arropado por 200 alcaldes en Bruselas. "¿Seguirán colaborando en el golpe de Estado?"
Ya decía la consejera de educación que antes sabías donde estaba Franco, pero que ahora ya no lo tienes tan claro. Vaya bufones.
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Contundente editorial de The Times contra M. Rajoy y su "política" contra el independentismo:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rajoy-s-prisoners-w69jhfdwm
Michel, ante la decena de preguntas sobre Cataluña en el Parlamento: "Sólo tenemos un interlocutor, España"
http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2017/11/08/5a02d9e0468aeb3d248b45a3.html
Ni Belgica, tts 
#33 Bah pero que va a saber The Times xdxd periodico basura xdxd ademas UK es la antitesis de la democracia xdxd y su sistema judicial una basura xdxd ademas no entienden nada xdxd
Que alguien nos ponga el artículo de The Times entero (porque exige access), es que leyendo el primer párrafo y parte del segundo parece que los tiros van hacia el «no sé lo que es la separación de poderes, lo que sí sé es que Rajoy tiene que sacarlos de la cárcel» y no quiero creerme que haya tanto tonto también fuera de España.
#41 Pero no se puede ahora. Si se les amnistía ahora ¿Cómo se evita que vuelvan a sus planes de imponer la visión de un 40 y pico por ciento de catalanes al resto a la fuerza?
Me gusta eso de verles suplicar clemencia ''po faboh un indultitoh pa un cafehh'', pero eh, que es un proceso serio esto del pelomocho eh!! jajajajaja
#42 Hablando en serio. Después de todo, visto en su conjunto: 155, huida de empresas, prisiones provisionales y un largo etc. ¿Crees de verdad que se volverían a meter en semejante movida?
Tengo mis serias dudas.
#35 y a los britanicos siempre les ha caido bien nuestro pais xdxdxd y han aprovechado cada oportunidad historica para ayudarnos xdxd lo de portugal aliado historico es una xdxd
#44 las carreteras y los trenes bien no? el spam constante sobre apagones electricos para "joder" tambien indican que omnium se ha relajado
#45 Menudo puto caos hoy. La que pueden liar cuatro gatos bien organizados.
Han colapsado la entrada a Barcelona a base de bien.
Tenía una entrevista de trabajo y no he podido ir. Las clases me las han cancelado también.
Y encima algunos jactándose por twitter.
#46 yo estoy en canales de difusion de estas cosas en telegram y en algun chat para ver como se organizan y bueno, no se puede juzgar a junqueras o forcadell pero tampoco pondria la mano en el fuego respecto a q los politicos no volvieran a actuar
los mossos no es que se hayan esforzado mucho en evitarlo, la ap7 la han cortado 10 universitarios de 20 años durante 4 horas con los mossos delante.
#50 Quitando que les califica de prisioneros políticos (han hecho su trabajo los del relato independentista) estoy de acuerdo en todo lo que dice. Con cárcel y policía solamente van a ganar momentáneamente y posponer el problema de fondo.
#51Soy_ZdRaVo:(han hecho su trabajo los del relato independentista
¿Por qué dices eso?
¿Qué altavoz es más poderoso? ¿El indepe o el del resto?
#52 Porque el Times les llama presos políticos. Los presos políticos son los que son perseguidos por sus ideas. Hay cientos de miles de independentistas a los que no se persigue, solamente se persigue a los que intentaron subvertir el orden constitucional. Eso no es un preso politico
El relato indepe de que son presos políticos ha calado, sus millones de euros en lobbys ha costado, pero ahí está.
#54 pues según Muñoz Molina es muy complicado vender en el extranjero que españa ya no es el pais que era en los 60.
Pero no tengo ni idea. Yo estoy condicionado porque leo las cosas ya con una idea. No se un sueco o un australiano que ven más creíble
Me encanta la viñeta de Rajoy del video japonés que sale en el 3.36 diciendo, porque los españoles muy españoles son y los catalanes más españoles más son.
meh
In terms of the attempts of the central government to influence the election, I think those will come down in two ways. One will be strictly legal, there's a real attempt on the part of Madrid to not only judicialized the issue, but to actually criminalize political ideas. There is different spokespeople from the central government that have suggested that parties that favor independence should be illegal. We've already seen that the political leadership that pushed for independence is now in jail and is being persecuted in the court. There is a real attempt to criminalize politics as a way to reduce the power of the opposition or to eliminate the opposition. That's what the letter to the European Union among other things addressed.
The second way in which the Partido Popular is going to try to influence the elections is to already anticipate what it will do if a particular outcome occurs. Now, several spokespersons of the central government have said that should a pro-independence parties yet again win a majority in the Catalan parliament, like they did in 2015, then they wouldn't hesitate a moment and reapply Article 155. That is we impose, yet again, central rule. There is a way in which the Madrid government is trying to influence the elections by anticipating an outcome and then indicating that an outcome will be useless anyway, because they'll start all over again.
SEBASTIAAN FABER: There is a number of issues with the way in which the Spanish government has dealt with the situation. The most overarching issue is that it has turned what is a political problem into a judicial problem. It has made the courts do the work, the dirty work, that the government should have been doing, which is to sit down with the Catalonian government and the find a solution that is acceptable to both parties and that will guarantee a sustainable role for Catalonia over the long-term within the Spanish state.
By turning it into a judicial problem, the Spanish government has also basically shown the extent to which the separation of powers in Spain is not quite that. There are issues with the court itself that the Attorney General in Spain has appealed to, to deal with the case, which is the National Criminal Court. There are issues with the charges brought against the Catalonian Government. Those charges are three. They are rebellion, sedition and embezzlement or misuse of public funds.
What Puigdemont is saying is that he doesn't believe that this particular Spanish court, the National Criminal Court and its relationship to the Attorney General, that is to the government, is kosher. He is claiming that if tried by this court, given the judges of the court, given their relationship to the national government, he will not receive a fair trial. It's actually up to the Belgian judiciary at this point, to the Belgian judge to weigh and to evaluate the charges brought against Puigdemont and the four other ministers, to see whether an extradition or at least a delivery back to Spain is warranted or not.
Puigdemont is trying to do two things. He's trying to sow a seed of doubt among international opinion about the workings of the Spanish judicial branch, and he is trying to insert another judicial filter into the process. By having the Belgian courts also evaluate the charges brought against him, he might be able to have some of those charges thrown out.
For one, the charge of rebellion and sedition are not listed as charges that would warrant extradition, so it may well be that through this process the only charge that's held up in this process between Belgium and Spain is the charge of misuse of public funds, which is a way less severe charge than rebellion or sedition would be.
The reason that rebellion and sedition are doubtful is because, what Catalonia tried to do is to become independent of the Spanish government. Rebellion and sedition really have to do with trying to overthrow or undermine the central government and through violent means no less. It's really the questions whether an attempt to become independent through a referendum can be defined at the same level as a violent overthrow of a national government as, for example, in a military coup.
http://therealnews.com/t2/story:20401:Spain-Is-Turning-the-Political-Problem-of-Catalan-Independence-into-a-Judicial-Issue
huele a holandes acomplejado por aqui
https://www.lamarea.com/author/sebastiaan-faber/
