[BLC] Scorch: Arena - BLC podría tener un sucesor

thunder_ #1 Abr '13

Ya era hora de que algún jugador de Bloodline Champions se pusiera manos a la obra y empezara por su propio pie un proyecto parecido a BLC.

En este caso, el proyecto está en una fase de desarrollo muy prematura, de tal forma que incluso parece un mini-juego todavía. Pero está trabajando muy pero que muy duro en el core del juego, y según se comenta, parece ser que algunos antiguos desarrolladores de Bloodline Champions podrían estar interesados en el proyecto.

El nombre del proyecto, por ahora, es Scorch: Arena y muy probablemente cambiará a raíz del tiempo. Al proyecto le quedan algunos años, sin pelos en la lengua, dependiendo también del dinero que inviertan en él o de las personas que pasen a trabajar. Pero para lo que es actualmente, ya es incluso divertido de jugar por lo que se puede ver en el siguiente gameplay:

Los muñecos son placeholders. No hay clases definidas, ni progreso del juego por ahora, es sólo una maqueta de lo que podría ser el core del juego en unos años.

Queda abierta la discusión, dentro de poco abrirán una super-early-alpha para ir probando las mecánicas del juego, podéis pedir vuestro acceso en este enlace: http://playblc.com/topic/448-need-more-testers/

El proyecto es a largo plazo. MUY largo plazo. Por favor, obviedades actuales como "yo ahora mismo no lo jugaría, vaya mierda de gráficos" etc etc guardároslas para cuando salga la versión definitiva de la Open Beta.

Más info: http://www.scorcharena.com/

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SpiuK #2 Abr '13

A ver que tal sale...Solo falta que le aumenten algo la dificultad,o que aparezcan mejores players

thunder_ #3 Abr '13

Si os fijáis ha diseñado la barra de skills muy similar a la de Bloodline Champions, y en el vídeo ya aparece el sistema de energía implementado. Está currando muy bien para ser uno solo, aunque después de un tiempo necesitará ayuda de modeladores y diseñadores sí o sí. Él solo es un programador, pero bloodline champions empezó así:

Habrá que ver como avanza

m3l0 #4 Abr '13

yo cuando lo vi, la impresión que me dio es que las mecánicas estaban bastante avanzadas, los gráficos mierdens, pero eso algo que no corre prisa xD

solo espero que lo orienten a clases/champions y no sea de magos solo como me ha dao la impresión.

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re4q #5 Abr '13

#4 LOL .-.-' ponte tu a programar diferentes clases antes de programar la direccion en que se tiran los hechizos... por ejemplo o la movilidad, por ejemplo

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m3l0 #6 Abr '13

#5 no, si eso ya me lo imaginaba, pero era por que lo había leído aquí:
http://playblc.com/topic/449-what-is-scorch-arena/

spoiler

personalmente eso me parecería una cagada xD

bazoo #7 May '13

Nuevo update de Scorch: Arena. Con pocos pero drásticos cambios.

After lots of inhouse testing with Scorch gameplay, we've come to the conclusion that the original gameplay model did not have long-term fun factor. It ended up being a game that was fun for 15-30 minutes bursts, but quickly grew repetitive without being addicting.

In addition, we determined that there wasn't a lot of skill involved in the gameplay despite the skillshot nature of spells. Yes, there was a mechanical skill requirement, but there was also a distinct lack of strategy and tactics. In essence, it came down to whoever had the best aim.

No more lava. The lava concept was fun but my implementation of it wasn't very interesting. Warlocks handled it better with tiled maps and dynamic map changes over time. So, I decided to scrap this concept.
No more knockback. Without lava, there's really no need for a knockback component.
Larger maps. Without lava, the maps no longer have to be restricted to a certain size. Look forward to larger maps, both symmetric and asymmetric, with more focus on positional design.
Faster gameplay. Movement speed is faster, spells cast faster, projectiles move faster. Hopefully this will create a more engaging sense of gameplay, plus it should ratchet up the tension in duels and battles.
Higher damage. Each hit from a spell will inflict much higher relative damage so that kills and deaths become more frequent. This, too, will increase overall gameplay speed.
Fewer spells. In order to ease the learning curve and (paradoxically) increase spell and build variety, spell slots will be reduced to M1, M2, Space, Q, and 1. The spell system itself (picking your own builds) will remain as is.
CTF as main mode. Deathmatch has its place and Scorch will always have a DM mode available, but the game design and focus will shift to a CTF mode. I believe that will add a layer of strategic depth to the gameplay that straight up DM and TDM can't offer, e.g., map control.

Y un par de cosas más que dice haberse dejado en el tintero...

Pequeño preview:

thunder_ #8 May '13

Aunque todavía le queda mucho, el juego va cogiendo forma. Mola

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makinavaja #9 May '13

#8 la gente juega a eso? yo en el blc veo mucha gente aún ....

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thunder_ #10 May '13

#9 no, está en proceso de desarrollo y todavía no hay ni una alpha estable. En el BLC si quedan 200 personas son muchas xd

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makinavaja #11 May '13

#10 pues ya avisaras cuando este mas desarrollado ese juego xddd

y haciendo cuentas la gente que queda en blodline son :

liga de ORO 5 divisiones 50 personas por division = 250

PLATA 5 divisiones y en cada division 5 paginas con 50 personas 5x50 = 250 x 5 = 1250

bronce hay 5 divisiones con 25 paginas con 50 personas = 6250

y en hierro 3 divisiones con 100 paginas con 50 personas = 15000

250+1.250+6.250+15.000= 22.750

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[Borrado] #12 May '13

Contad con mi pene.

rageshow #13 May '13 :psyduck:

si la jugabilidad es buena puede estar divertido pero verlo de la calidad de blc pfff ya lo dudo xd

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thunder_ #14 May '13

#13

Esto era el BLC en 2010. Todo proyecto bien llevado puede llegar a buen puerto, no hay que perder la esperanza.

bazoo #15 May '13

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[ac=v0.26]

Gameplay

Added game mode: Capture the Flag!
Capture the Flag win limit is set to 3.
Deathmatch kill limit increased from 10 to 15.
Team Deathmatch kill limit increased from 10 to 30.
Player movement speed increased to 7.
Player model size increased by 33%.
Default health gain per second is 0.5.
Default energy gain per second is 1.0.
Health pickup increased from 25 to 40.

Interface

Added a minimap!
Added a sound effect whenever you inflict damage.
Player limit per game increased from 8 to 12.
Camera is now angled straight down.
Camera dynamics now stretch further out to provide more view space.

Spells

Removed all spells except the ones mentioned below.
Spells on cooldown can be now selected in the menu, but changes won't go through until cooldown is reset.
Fixed a bug where heals could resurrect dead players.

M1

Fireball: Projectile speed increased from 15 to 30.
Fireball: Damage increased from 5 to 15.
Force: Now inflicts Slow for 1.0s.
Force: Projectile speed increased from 17.5 to 35.
Force: Cooldown reduced from 1.0s to 0.7s.
Iron Bolt: Now interrupts cast.
Iron Bolt: Projectile speed increased from 15 to 50.
Iron Bolt: Damage increased from 7 to 30.
Iron Bolt: Cooldown increased from 1.0s to 2.2s.
Razor Dart: Projectile speed increased from 15 to 30.
Razor Dart: Initial damage increased from 3 to 6.
Razor Dart: Damage per tick increased from 1 to 2.
Razor Dart: Duration reduced from 4.0s to 3.0s.

M2

Life Leech: Projectile speed increased from 20 to 30.
Life Leech: Damage increased from 6 to 15.
Scream: Projectile speed increased from 15 to 25.
Scream: Duration reduced from 3.0s to 2.0s.
Sunbeam: Projectile speed increased from 27.5 to 45.
Sunbeam: Damage increased from 12 to 44.
Sunbeam: Cast time reduced from 0.8s to 0.5s.
Swap: Projectile speed increased from 20 to 25.
Swap: Damage increased from 0 to 18.
Swap: Cooldown increased from 10.0s to 15.0s.
Water Lance: Projectile speed reduced from 30 to 25.

Space

Absorb: Now negates up to 3 hits.
Absorb: Duration increased from 2.0s to 3.0s.
Absorb: Cooldown increased from 10.0s to 15.0s.
Aegis: Duration reduced from 3.0s to 2.5s.
Counter: Now negates up to 3 hits.
Counter: Duration increased from 2.0s to 3.0s.
Counter: Cooldown increased from 10.0s to 15.0s.
Dash: Movement boost increased from 50% to 65%.
Dash: Duration reduced from 3.0s to 2.5s.
Dash: Cooldown increased from 8.0s to 15.0s.
Radiate: No longer inflicts damage to self.
Radiate: Damage increased from 12 to 40.
Radiate: Radius reduced from 4 to 3.
Radiate: Cast time reduced from 0.4s to 0.0s.
Radiate: Cooldown increased from 5.0s to 6.0s.
Vigor: Now negates up to 3 hits.
Vigor: Duration increased from 2.0s to 3.0s.
Vigor: Cooldown increased from 10.0s to 15.0s.

Q

Expose: Damage increased from 12 to 15.
Expose: Duration reduced from 5.0s to 4.0s.
Expose: Radius increased from 2.5 to 3.5.
Expose: Delay reduced from 1.0s to 0.7s.
Mending Field: Heal per tick increased from 1 to 4.
Mending Field: Radius increased from 3 to 4.
Quagmire: Damage per tick increased from 3 to 8.
Quagmire: Radius increased from 3 to 4.
Volcano: Damage increased from 12 to 25.
Volcano: Radius increased from 2.5 to 4.
Volcano: Cooldown increased from 12.0s to 15.0s.
Weaken: Damage increased from 12 to 15.
Weaken: Duration reduced from 5.0s to 4.0s.
Weaken: Radius increased from 2.5 to 3.5.
Weaken: Delay reduced from 1.0s to 0.7s.

Disciplines

Berserk: Energy cost reduced from 35 to 30.
Berserk: Duration reduced from 6.0s to 5.0s.
Boil Blood: Energy cost reduced from 40 to 30.
Boil Blood: Initial damage increased from 6 to 12.
Boil Blood: Damage per tick increased from 1 to 2.
Boil Blood: Duration reduced from 7.0s to 5.0s.
Boil Blood: Delay reduced from 1.4s to 1.0s.
Manablast: Projectile speed reduced from 25 to 20.
Manablast: Damage per energy increased from 1 to 1.5.
Manablast: Cast time reduced from 1.0s to 0.7s.
Purge: Energy cost reduced from 25 to 20.
Scintillate: Energy cost reduced from 65 to 30.
Scintillate: Damage increased from 10 to 30.
Scintillate: Duration reduced from 1.5s to 1.4s.
Scintillate: Delay reduced from 1.2s to 0.8s.

v0.27

Gameplay

Capture the Pack score limit increased from 3 to 5.
Capture the Pack now has a time limit of 18 minutes.
Capture the Pack now tints player models according to team color.
Capture the Pack respawn time increased from 5 to 9 seconds.
Capture the Pack health pickups (40 HP) on death re-enabled.
New spawning system: For team-based modes, all players start off by spawning in their base. During a team-based game, players will respawn at a spawn point that is furthest away from all enemies. For deathmatch, spawn points are selected randomly.
Default energy gain increased from 1 to 1.5 per second.
Fixed a bug where sometimes players would not drop the pack on death.
Fixed a potential memory leak on respawn.

Interface

Capture the Pack team scores are shown in the top corner now.
Camera zoom restored (can see more playing area now).
Changed sound for taking a pack.
On-hit damage sound now only plays for the player who dealt the damage.
On-hit damage sound no longer triggers on DOT effects.
Minimap icon visibility is now tied to player model visibility.
Changed minimap icons and increased sizes for improved visibility.
Fixed minimaps sometimes having an unintended gray border.
Fixed misoriented packs when one has been captured.

Maps

Divide: Changes to layout and updated spawns.
Grave: Updated spawns.
Lost: Changes to layout and updated spawns.
North: Changes to layout and updated spawns.
River: Changes to layout and updated spawns.
Twist: Revamped map design.
Fixed a bug with improper map cycling on game end.

Spells

Added Specializations! There are 3 specs: Offense, Defense, and Control. Each has access to a specific subset of spells. Some spells are unique to a certain spec while other spells are available in multiple specs.
Damage over time spells now grant last hits.
Ground AOE spell cast ranges have all been reduced to 25.
Cooldowns have been changed across the board to provide for faster gameplay.

M1

Added new spell: Solar Pulse [O]!
Added new spell: Aura [D]!
Fireball: Projectile range reduced to 25.
Force: Projectile range reduced to 25.
Force: Damage reduced from 10 to 7.
Force: Cooldown reduced from 0.7s to 0.5s.
Iron Bolt: Cast time increased from 0.0s to 0.4s.
Iron Bolt: Cooldown reduced from 2.2s to 1.8s.
Razor Dart: Projectile range reduced to 25.

M2

Chakram: Projectile range increased from 15 to 20.
Chakram: Projectile speed increased from 15 to 25.
Chakram: Damage increased from 6 to 16.
Chakram: Knockback increased from 12 to 20.
Life Leech: Fixed a bug where dead players could be healed back to life.
Sunbeam: Projectile speed increased from 45 to 55.
Sunbeam: Cast time increased from 0.5s to 0.9s.
Sunbeam: Cooldown reduced from 15.0s to 4.0s.

Space

Absorb: Number of instances reduced from 3 to 1.
Absorb: Heal per hit increased from 5 to 12.
Absorb: Duration reduced from 3.0s to 2.0s.
Aegis: Casting is disabled while Aegis is active.
Aegis: Duration reduced from 2.5s to 2.0s.
Counter: Number of instances reduced from 3 to 1.
Counter: Damage per hit increased from 9 to 14.
Counter: Duration reduced from 3.0s to 2.0s.
Radiate: Now deals 20 damage to self.
Radiate: Radius increased from 3 to 4.
Thrust: Damage increased from 6 to 8.
Vigor: Number of instances reduced from 3 to 1.
Vigor: Energy per hit increased from 5 to 10.
Vigor: Duration reduced from 3.0s to 2.0s.

Q

Dark Void: Duration reduced from 5.0s to 4.0s.
Dark Void: Radius increased from 3.5 to 4.
Weaken: Damage reduction increased from 60% to 80%.

Discipline

Flash: Damage reduced from 13 to 0.
Flash: Duration increased from 2.5s to 3.5s.
Flash: Radius increased from 2 to 3.
Flash: Delay reduced from 0.7s to 0.6s.
Zealdrive: Energy cost reduced from 40 to 25.
Zealdrive: Projectile range increased from 12.5 to 50.
Zealdrive: Damage increased from 0 to 15.
Zealdrive: Knockback increased from 25 to 40.

Y veremos otro video preview en el siguiente update.

MaSqUi #16 May '13 Inocente

A favoritos, esto hay que seguirlo muy de cerca...

makinavaja #17 Jun '13

pero este juego lleva en fashe alpha 1 año ya ... y yo no veo muchos avances ... que lo estan haciendo ustedes ? xddd

ForsaKeN01 #18 Jun '13

Yo espero que salga algo parecido al blc y triunfe. Que lo que ha pasado con el blc me produce mas pena que

spoiler juego de tronos

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[Borrado] #19 Jun '13

Bueno, en la web tenéis el nuevo update. Hoy lo he probado y mis impresiones son, así a botepronto:

Queda MUCHO trabajo. Muchísimo.
No me gustaba la idea de la perspectiva des de arriba, prefiero la isométrica. Pero el juego te enseña a aprovechar bien su cámara.
Es realmente difícil de jugar. Landear las skills es un auténtico martirio.
De momento (en cierto modo me agrada y por otro lado me preocupa), con varios jugadores es muy caótico. Pero los 1vs1 o 2vs2 son realmente frenéticos y divertidos. De 4 a 6 jugadores hay un cambio muy notorio.
Bastante impresionado sobre el sistema de skills que tiene. Es más sencillo todo, pero facilita el balanceo. La habilidad del jugador marca realmente la diferencia.

Debo concluir con que estoy MUY sorprendido. Muy mucho. Ayudaremos en lo que se pueda :/

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thunder_ #20 Jun '13

Ya lo dije hace tiempo y lo sigo diciendo, la cosa va tomando una forma muy pero que muy aceptable. Coincido en lo que dices rave, sobre todo en lo de la vista isométrica. Veo la cámara muy acercada al personaje lo que en parte hace difícil seguir un focus cuando hay más de 3 personas en la pantalla.

Espero que se lo piensen mejor y cambien a la vista que usa el BLC que está todo mucho más claro.

m3l0 #21 Jun '13

joer, que rapido avanza

makinavaja #22 Jun '13

Lo que no entiendo , es porqué hacer este juego desde 0 , envez de comprar el bloodline entero .... y ya partir de ahí evitandote años de trabajo ....

nose...

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[Borrado] #23 Jun '13

#22 Porque lo hace un tío solo. No hay dinero.

P.D: Me encanta tu chucho.

thunder_ #24 Jun '13

#22 claro y yo pudiéndome comprar la primera potencia mundial y mira donde estoy, en el paro... qué cosas decis macho a ver si pensáis antes xDD

bazoo #25 Jun '13

Scorch está avanzando a un buen ritmo, teniendo en cuenta que solo hay una persona detrás del código del juego, y como prueba de ello, aquí está el changelog de la nueva versión:

Captura de la nueva versión v0.33

Gameplay

Re-enabled Ladder game mode!
Avatar scoring recalibrated: 4 for killing an Avatar, 1 for killing a non-Avatar, and 3 for a 5-kill streak as Avatar. First to 40 wins.
Avatar's innate amplified damage increased from 20% to 28%.
Avatar's innate damage reduction increased from 40% + 5% per player to 50% + 4% per player. Cap is still 95%.
Non-Avatars can hurt and apply status effects on each other again.
Added player auras in team-based modes to signify the player's team color.
Enlarged the size of the Pack slightly.
Removed the tinting of robes in team modes.
Removed kill streak announcements in CTP.
Lava damage is no longer amplified or reduced by any status effects.
Fixed a bug in Duel where lives weren't updating properly for spectators.
Fixed a bug in Avatar where non-Avatars could still apply status effects to each other.

Maps

Added new map: Monster!
Twist: No longer available in CTP.

Interface

New hotkey: Shift for self-cast on AOE spells.
New hotkey: R for cancelcast.
New hotkey: Y for all chat.
New hotkey: . for spells menu.
New hotkey: ; for chat log.
New hotkey: ' for toggling ingame chat.
New hotkey: / for team change.
Added saving and loading of presets to the new interface.
Added a Shuffle Teams button to the host admin options.
Added pack attempts and pack returns to the scoreboard in CTP.
Added a Kick button for players in the scoreboard. Only host can see it.
Added an announcement for picking up the pack.
Added a red tint to cooldown overlays in the spell bar.
Added a sound effect on chat messages.
Added minor stat tracking at the end of each game.
Moved the Respawn button to the center of the screen.
Moved player names above their head, now in line with their health and energy bars.
Disabled dynamic camera while dead.
Specializations now have tooltips showing which spells are included.
Fixed the accuracy of all spell tooltips!
Fixed a bug where lava damage was triggering the "hit target" sound effect.
Fixed a bug with desynced respawn timer when joining a game in progress.

Spells

Spells no longer deal over-damage, i.e., the maximum damage that a spell can inflict is the target's remaining health.
Added different robes for Offense (red), Defense (blue), and Control (white) specs.
Fixed a bug where trances were being triggered by untranceable spells like DOTs.
Added team indicators for non-delay AOE spells, e.g. Mending Field.
The following damage sources no longer trigger trances: Lava, Bleed, Quagmire, Essence Orb, Counter, Frostskin

M1

Fireball: Cast time increased from 0.0s to 0.2s.
Fireball: Cooldown increased from 0.8s to 0.9s.
Force: Movement slow increased from 15% to 18%.
Force: Damage increased from 6 to 7.
Solar Pulse: Projectile speed is now a static 24.
Solar Pulse: Damage reduced from 28 to 26.

M2

Added new spell: Energy Sap! [/b][*] Chakram: Improved particle effects.[*] Chakram: Projectile speed increased from 28 to 30.[*] Chakram: Fixed a visual bug where Chakrams were flying through walls.[*] Chakram: Fixed a bug where Chakrams weren't returning to players correctly, including on death.[*] Ghost Mark: Initial damage increased from 0 to 4.[*] Sun Beam: Cast time reduced from 0.9s to 0.8s.[*] Swap: Now in Defense and Control.[*] Water Lance: No longer interrupts cast.[/list] [h1]Space[/h1] [list][*] Absorb: Damage per proc reduced from 10 to 8.[*] Absorb: Duration reduced from 2.0s to 1.6s.[*] Counter: Damage per proc reduced from 14 to 8.[*] Counter: Duration reduced from 2.0s to 1.6s.[*] Dash: Cooldown reduced from 9.0s to 8.5s.[*] Radiate: Cast time reduced from 0.3s to 0.0s.[*] Radiate: Cooldown reduced from 5.0s to 4.5s.[*] Vigor: Energy per proc increased from 12 to 14.[*] Vigor: Duration reduced from 2.0s to 1.6s.[/list] [h1]Q[/h1] [list][*] Dispel: No longer inflicts damage on yourself in FFA modes.[*] Expose: Now in Offense.[*] Frostskin: Damage increased from 5 to 6.[*] Frostskin: Delay reduced from 1.5s to 0.8s.[*] Frostskin: Duration reduced from 3.0s to 1.6s.[*] Frostskin: Fixed a bug where Frostskin wasn't negating incoming damage.[*] Mending Field: Heal per tick reduced from 4 to 3.[*] Mending Field: Duration reduced from 5.0s to 4.0s.[*] Mending Field: Cooldown reduced from 11.0s to 10.0s.[*] Quagmire: Movement slow increased from 15% to 18%.[*] Quagmire: Duration increased from 3.0s to 4.0s.[*] Volcano: Delay reduced from 1.0s to 0.9s.[/list] [h1]E[/h1] [list][*] [b]Added new spell: Sentry Wisp! [D][/b][*] Berserk: Enlarged the buff visual to make it easier to see.[*] Essence Orb: Damage per tick reduced from 7 to 6.[*] Flash: Now in Control.[*] Terrorize: Energy cost increased from 50 to 55.[*] Terrorize: Radius reduced from 6 to 5.[*] Terrorize: Cast time reduced from 0.5s to 0.0s. [/list] Y un posible [url=http://www.scorcharena.com/topic/504-dynamic-respawn-system-in-scorch-arena/]cambio en el sistema del respawn[/url] podría introducirse en futuras versiones, de momento, se está pensando en ello. Para más información, como siempre, pasaros por la página oficial: [url=http://scorcharena.com/]ScorchArena.com[/url], previamente conocida cómo [url=http://playblc.com/]PlayBLC.com[/url]